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Here is a quick tip to help you stay strong while building lean muscle

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Scott_Herman
Scott_Herman a Scott Herman
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It's a "give & take" kind of relationship when trying to put on lean mass.

 

Training for strength and muscle mass are two different types of routines.

Strength requires heavy loads for low reps and building muscle requires things like VOLUME (higher reps) and a slower TEMPO.

 

But like you, I don't want to lose strength while building muscle so I have been incorporating 5x5 training into my current workout split to help even things out.

 

Think about it this way... when trying to build muscle the "weight" doesn't really matter up to a point. Whatever you are lifting just needs to be heavy enough to fatigue the muscles by the time you hit around 12-15 reps. So what I have been doing is including at least ONE 5x5 lift in each routine to focus on building strength. Then while fatigued, I finish off the muscles I am training for the day.

 

Here is an example for each bodypart:

 

Back: Weighted Pull-Ups (5x5)

Chest: Barbell Bench Press (5x5)

Biceps: Straight-bar bicep curls (5x5)

Triceps: Close-Grip Bench or Weighted Dips (5x5)

Legs: Squats (5x5)

Traps: Shrugs (5x5)

Shoulders: Barbell Overhead Press (5x5)

 

What also works great about this type of training is that the muscles are now pre-exausted which means more muscle fiber activation during your workout.

 

After completing the (5x5) for the bodypart(s) I am training or the day, I go into my normal workout split and hit it as hard as I can.

Try it out and let me know what you think Nation! #HTH

 

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Markohumm
Markohumm g Mark Hummel
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Scott suggested this to me recently in another thread. I have been doing it.

 

It is kicking my butt! Loving it!

jluckyp
jluckyp g John Prak
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Thats what Ive been doing lately as well. Ive been following Mike O'hearn's power body building routines which is very similar to what your talking about. I love it, especially for chest. After doing those 5-6 heavy sets your muscles are so fatigued it gets hard to get out the usual 10 reps of the rest of your routine.

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Scott_Herman
Scott_Herman a Scott Herman
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Posted By: Markohumm

Scott suggested this to me recently in another thread. I have been doing it.

 

It is kicking my butt! Loving it!

Oh nice Mark! I was wondering how you were doing with this style of training!

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Scott_Herman
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Posted By: jluckyp

Thats what Ive been doing lately as well. Ive been following Mike O'hearn's power body building routines which is very similar to what your talking about. I love it, especially for chest. After doing those 5-6 heavy sets your muscles are so fatigued it gets hard to get out the usual 10 reps of the rest of your routine.

Nice man. Yeah its all about muscle fatigue and you will definitely feel it. To be honest your muscle endurance will go up too. How big have your strength gains been on chest? Pushing those 125s yet on flat bench?

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MetalHeadEd
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So, Scott, if bench were to be a part of your normal chest routine would you do your 5x5 bench then later in your workout hit the bench again for different rep range? Or would the 5x5 be all the bench you use during that workout?

jluckyp
jluckyp g John Prak
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Posted By: Scott_Herman

Nice man. Yeah its all about muscle fatigue and you will definitely feel it. To be honest your muscle endurance will go up too. How big have your strength gains been on chest? Pushing those 125s yet on flat bench?

125s?! I wish!! I think I need to put more weight on to ever handle those lol. I'm working with 75s n 80s on incline. Id be happy to just be able use those 100s at this point. I started w 70s... Its been a month. Hitting chest once week.

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Scott_Herman
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Posted By: MetalHeadEd

So, Scott, if bench were to be a part of your normal chest routine would you do your 5x5 bench then later in your workout hit the bench again for different rep range? Or would the 5x5 be all the bench you use during that workout?

Great question MetalHEadEd,

 

I will do saw 5x5 with barbell bench... then later go into Dumbbell Bench Press for my normal 10-12 reps.

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Scott_Herman
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Posted By: jluckyp

125s?! I wish!! I think I need to put more weight on to ever handle those lol. I'm working with 75s n 80s on incline. Id be happy to just be able use those 100s at this point. I started w 70s... Its been a month. Hitting chest once week.

See if you can get a partner to help you with those FORCED REPS. That will help you get stronger and used to the weight!

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Adawg38
Adawg38 g Aaron Henry
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I love throwing in 5X5's every once in a while. Definately a good strength gainer. I just always make sure I have a spotter on the bb bench cause I'd hate to have 245lbs coming down on me.

I have been training coming up on 6 years and have made some great gainz. I've done a lot of trial and error on myself as well as learned from others and through research online. I've come along way in strength and size since I've started. I will continue to learn and make myself better each day. MS Athlete/Super Hermanite BEING CHALLENGED IN LIFE IS INEVITABLE, BEING DEFEATED IS OPTIONAL.
jluckyp
jluckyp g John Prak
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Posted By: Scott_Herman

See if you can get a partner to help you with those FORCED REPS. That will help you get stronger and used to the weight!

yea thats my main issue... i usually train chest alone. for some reason no ones ever around on my chest day. like my gym will be dead at that time. but yes, i'll look for a spotter to help me w forced reps. thanks

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jmboiardi
jmboiardi p John M Boiardi
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Posted By: Scott_Herman

It's a "give & take" kind of relationship when trying to put on lean mass.

 

Training for strength and muscle mass are two different types of routines.

Strength requires heavy loads for low reps and building muscle requires things like VOLUME (higher reps) and a slower TEMPO.

 

But like you, I don't want to lose strength while building muscle so I have been incorporating 5x5 training into my current workout split to help even things out.

 

Think about it this way... when trying to build muscle the "weight" doesn't really matter up to a point. Whatever you are lifting just needs to be heavy enough to fatigue the muscles by the time you hit around 12-15 reps. So what I have been doing is including at least ONE 5x5 lift in each routine to focus on building strength. Then while fatigued, I finish off the muscles I am training for the day.

 

Here is an example for each bodypart:

 

Back: Weighted Pull-Ups (5x5)

Chest: Barbell Bench Press (5x5)

Biceps: Straight-bar bicep curls (5x5)

Triceps: Close-Grip Bench or Weighted Dips (5x5)

Legs: Squats (5x5)

Traps: Shrugs (5x5)

Shoulders: Barbell Overhead Press (5x5)

 

What also works great about this type of training is that the muscles are now pre-exausted which means more muscle fiber activation during your workout.

 

After completing the (5x5) for the bodypart(s) I am training or the day, I go into my normal workout split and hit it as hard as I can.

Try it out and let me know what you think Nation! #HTH

 

100% spot on!. I need to remember at my age it is better to train for hypertrophy than strength {you already know what happened to me :-) }

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Scott_Herman
Scott_Herman a Scott Herman
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Posted By: jmboiardi

100% spot on!. I need to remember at my age it is better to train for hypertrophy than strength {you already know what happened to me :-) }

Definitely! I am glad that your injury wasn't too bad and that you have been able to still train hard! Looks like you are back on track too! yeah! #HTH

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JoeHurricane
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Scott, when you include a 5x5 lift into your routine, would you include that as part of your 16 working sets, or would you do a 5x5 and then also do 16 working sets on top of that?

#HTH!

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nate_dawg
nate_dawg g Nathan Bishop
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Posted By: Scott_Herman

It's a "give & take" kind of relationship when trying to put on lean mass.

 

Training for strength and muscle mass are two different types of routines.

Strength requires heavy loads for low reps and building muscle requires things like VOLUME (higher reps) and a slower TEMPO.

 

But like you, I don't want to lose strength while building muscle so I have been incorporating 5x5 training into my current workout split to help even things out.

 

Think about it this way... when trying to build muscle the "weight" doesn't really matter up to a point. Whatever you are lifting just needs to be heavy enough to fatigue the muscles by the time you hit around 12-15 reps. So what I have been doing is including at least ONE 5x5 lift in each routine to focus on building strength. Then while fatigued, I finish off the muscles I am training for the day.

 

Here is an example for each bodypart:

 

Back: Weighted Pull-Ups (5x5)

Chest: Barbell Bench Press (5x5)

Biceps: Straight-bar bicep curls (5x5)

Triceps: Close-Grip Bench or Weighted Dips (5x5)

Legs: Squats (5x5)

Traps: Shrugs (5x5)

Shoulders: Barbell Overhead Press (5x5)

 

What also works great about this type of training is that the muscles are now pre-exausted which means more muscle fiber activation during your workout.

 

After completing the (5x5) for the bodypart(s) I am training or the day, I go into my normal workout split and hit it as hard as I can.

Try it out and let me know what you think Nation! #HTH

 

Scott, this is exactly what me and Jon used to do. We would start off each workout routine for the week with a 5X5, a lot of the ones you mentioned yourself and then we'd do the rest of the routine hypertrophy based. Doing the 5X5 first is actually going to make you feel much stronger on the rest of the lifts in your routine and it really helps to activate those deep, deep muscle fibers that aren't activated as much with light-moderate weight. This is a great training method and it has increased me and Jon's bench max by over 60 lbs! #HTH

hur1coco
hur1coco g Kassi Wirfmirn
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Posted By: Scott_Herman

It's a "give & take" kind of relationship when trying to put on lean mass.

 

Training for strength and muscle mass are two different types of routines.

Strength requires heavy loads for low reps and building muscle requires things like VOLUME (higher reps) and a slower TEMPO.

 

But like you, I don't want to lose strength while building muscle so I have been incorporating 5x5 training into my current workout split to help even things out.

 

Think about it this way... when trying to build muscle the "weight" doesn't really matter up to a point. Whatever you are lifting just needs to be heavy enough to fatigue the muscles by the time you hit around 12-15 reps. So what I have been doing is including at least ONE 5x5 lift in each routine to focus on building strength. Then while fatigued, I finish off the muscles I am training for the day.

 

Here is an example for each bodypart:

 

Back: Weighted Pull-Ups (5x5)

Chest: Barbell Bench Press (5x5)

Biceps: Straight-bar bicep curls (5x5)

Triceps: Close-Grip Bench or Weighted Dips (5x5)

Legs: Squats (5x5)

Traps: Shrugs (5x5)

Shoulders: Barbell Overhead Press (5x5)

 

What also works great about this type of training is that the muscles are now pre-exausted which means more muscle fiber activation during your workout.

 

After completing the (5x5) for the bodypart(s) I am training or the day, I go into my normal workout split and hit it as hard as I can.

Try it out and let me know what you think Nation! #HTH

 

Oooh, that sounds good, thanks, Scott!

Had to look up what 5x5 is, now I'm smarter - will definitely include that in my weight training!

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