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Saturated, Monounsaturated & Polyunsaturated

NilsFearons
NilsFearons g Nils Fearons
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So ive been carb cycling through my cut and having higher fat macros on my low carb days, like chicken thighs, cheese, full fat greek yoghurt and fatty cuts of meat.

 

Now ive been doing well and lost weight as a result!

Anyway a memebr of my Gym Is a WBFF Pro and he is shredded, we were having a discussion on twitter about fats on low carb days.

He reckons I should not use the sources mentioned above and that I should get most of my fats from nuts.

 

I checked the fat ratios for, lets say chicken thighs and nuts they both have saturated fats, polyunsaturated fats and monosaturated fats! So what is the difference is there something magicalk about nuts that I am unaware of?

 

any help would be great :-)

 

Thanks

 

Nils

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jmboiardi
jmboiardi p John M Boiardi
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Posted By: NilsFearons

So ive been carb cycling through my cut and having higher fat macros on my low carb days, like chicken thighs, cheese, full fat greek yoghurt and fatty cuts of meat.

 

Now ive been doing well and lost weight as a result!

Anyway a memebr of my Gym Is a WBFF Pro and he is shredded, we were having a discussion on twitter about fats on low carb days.

He reckons I should not use the sources mentioned above and that I should get most of my fats from nuts.

 

I checked the fat ratios for, lets say chicken thighs and nuts they both have saturated fats, polyunsaturated fats and monosaturated fats! So what is the difference is there something magicalk about nuts that I am unaware of?

 

any help would be great :-)

 

Thanks

 

Nils

Nils,

 

It has to do with the ratio of Omega 3,6, and 9 fatty acids. Nuts have a type of fat that is converted to Omega 3s by the body - not as efficient as getting Omega 3s from fish and eggs - but beneficial none-the-less. Cheese, dairy, and fatty meats are higher in Omega 6 which leads to inflammation. Omega 3 to 6 ratio should be 3:1. Nuts, fish, olive oil, etc have the proper ratio. Omega 3s are critical not only for heart and vascular health but also for muscle recovery, joint protection, and protection from some cancers which are usually cause by prolonged inflammation.

 

The bottom line is you are doing the right things. As long as you are seeing the results you are expecting, no need to change. While the WBFF pro has accurate info and advice, he most likely is using chemical assistance which changes the playing field between the two of you. His advice applies to both natural and non-natural athletes but the rate of metabolism and the way fats are handled when using anabolics is in an accelerated state versus the natural athlete.

 

John

34 years of lifting and nutritional experience and resident "old man" :-) MS Athlete and past Super Hermanite since 2013.
NilsFearons
NilsFearons g Nils Fearons
96 Post(s)
96 Post(s) Gender: Male Goal: Bodybuilding Date Joined: November 11, 2013
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Posted By: jmboiardi

Nils,

 

It has to do with the ratio of Omega 3,6, and 9 fatty acids. Nuts have a type of fat that is converted to Omega 3s by the body - not as efficient as getting Omega 3s from fish and eggs - but beneficial none-the-less. Cheese, dairy, and fatty meats are higher in Omega 6 which leads to inflammation. Omega 3 to 6 ratio should be 3:1. Nuts, fish, olive oil, etc have the proper ratio. Omega 3s are critical not only for heart and vascular health but also for muscle recovery, joint protection, and protection from some cancers which are usually cause by prolonged inflammation.

 

The bottom line is you are doing the right things. As long as you are seeing the results you are expecting, no need to change. While the WBFF pro has accurate info and advice, he most likely is using chemical assistance which changes the playing field between the two of you. His advice applies to both natural and non-natural athletes but the rate of metabolism and the way fats are handled when using anabolics is in an accelerated state versus the natural athlete.

 

John

John,

 

Awesome response!! Thanks for the info its just what i was looking for :-)

 

You are maybe right about the chemichalk assitance although he preaches natty ;-)However I did ask him why nuts are a better source of fats than what I had been using and his honest answer was " I don't know I'm not a nutritionist, it just works" laughable I know , which is sad as this guy sells nutrition plans!!

 

Thanks again

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Impulse
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209 Post(s) Gender: Male Goal: Gain Muscle Date Joined: March 3, 2014
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Posted By: jmboiardi

Nils,

 

It has to do with the ratio of Omega 3,6, and 9 fatty acids. Nuts have a type of fat that is converted to Omega 3s by the body - not as efficient as getting Omega 3s from fish and eggs - but beneficial none-the-less. Cheese, dairy, and fatty meats are higher in Omega 6 which leads to inflammation. Omega 3 to 6 ratio should be 3:1. Nuts, fish, olive oil, etc have the proper ratio. Omega 3s are critical not only for heart and vascular health but also for muscle recovery, joint protection, and protection from some cancers which are usually cause by prolonged inflammation.

 

The bottom line is you are doing the right things. As long as you are seeing the results you are expecting, no need to change. While the WBFF pro has accurate info and advice, he most likely is using chemical assistance which changes the playing field between the two of you. His advice applies to both natural and non-natural athletes but the rate of metabolism and the way fats are handled when using anabolics is in an accelerated state versus the natural athlete.

 

John

More or less, this.

Both omega 6 and omega 3 fats are required in the diet, but omega 3 are going to contribute to anti-inflammatory effects, anti-clotting, anti-arrhythmic etc. effects. Like John mentioned, typically the (optimum) ratio in people's diets is off.

Nothing crazy unhealthy will occur from this, again it's just one of those min/max optimizational worries.

Eric // Impulse Bachelor's Degree of Kinesiology Current Study in Human Nutritional Sciences ACSM Certified Personal Trainer NSCA-CSCS and CPT
NutritionMax
NutritionMax g Justin Janoska
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Cheese, dairy and fatty meat are not pro-inflammatory... they are high in saturated fats and omega-3 if it's pasture-raised. Grain-fed meat will be high in omega-6. Eat more saturated fat and you will feel more satiated on a low carb diet.

Master's in Human Nutrition PN Certified Nutritionist NASM-CPT MS Athlete For badass coaching, visit: www.nutritionmax.fit/services justin@nutritionmax.fit
NutritionMax
NutritionMax g Justin Janoska
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89 Post(s) Gender: Male Goal: Bodybuilding Date Joined: May 5, 2014
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Cheese, dairy and fatty meat are not pro-inflammatory... they are high in saturated fats and omega-3 if it's pasture-raised. Grain-fed meat will be high in omega-6. Eat more saturated fat and you will feel more satiated on a low carb diet.

Master's in Human Nutrition PN Certified Nutritionist NASM-CPT MS Athlete For badass coaching, visit: www.nutritionmax.fit/services justin@nutritionmax.fit
NutritionMax
NutritionMax g Justin Janoska
89 Post(s)
89 Post(s) Gender: Male Goal: Bodybuilding Date Joined: May 5, 2014
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Cheese, dairy and fatty meat are not pro-inflammatory... they are high in saturated fats and omega-3 if it's pasture-raised. Grain-fed meat will be high in omega-6. Eat more saturated fat and you will feel more satiated on a low carb diet.

Master's in Human Nutrition PN Certified Nutritionist NASM-CPT MS Athlete For badass coaching, visit: www.nutritionmax.fit/services justin@nutritionmax.fit
NutritionMax
NutritionMax g Justin Janoska
89 Post(s)
89 Post(s) Gender: Male Goal: Bodybuilding Date Joined: May 5, 2014
Posted

Cheese, dairy and fatty meat are not pro-inflammatory... they are high in saturated fats and omega-3 if it's pasture-raised. Grain-fed meat will be high in omega-6. Eat more saturated fat and you will feel more satiated on a low carb diet.

Master's in Human Nutrition PN Certified Nutritionist NASM-CPT MS Athlete For badass coaching, visit: www.nutritionmax.fit/services justin@nutritionmax.fit
jmboiardi
jmboiardi p John M Boiardi
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Posted By: NutritionMax

Cheese, dairy and fatty meat are not pro-inflammatory... they are high in saturated fats and omega-3 if it's pasture-raised. Grain-fed meat will be high in omega-6. Eat more saturated fat and you will feel more satiated on a low carb diet.

That's the key - pasture raised and grain fed. Unfortunately for me at least, finding these types of meats and dairy here in Singapore is very hard and expensive if found. The majority of the meat and dairy Americans eat is the usual mass-produced, grain fed stuff with the poorer Omega 3 and Omega 6 ratios which is what I was alluding to in my post.

 

John

34 years of lifting and nutritional experience and resident "old man" :-) MS Athlete and past Super Hermanite since 2013.
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