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Desvain
Desvain g Bruno Picinini
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Hey guys.

 

Today something happened that completely tilted me out my workout, so much that I really have to share it with someone to see if I'm alone or not.

So, I was at the bench and after my first set, the gym owner (she's a post-graduated trainer) approached me saying that my form was going to destroy my back (I was using a slight arch). I explained myself and she responded that she had never even heard of this technique before and it had no "scientific background" as one's back should always remain flat on the bench for the entire movement.

 

When this kind of thing happens, I usually go like "yeah, ok, thanks", and wait for them leave, in order to avoid unecessary drama, but this time she just kept overwatching me, and wouldn't leave until I "corrected" my form. After my second set, she even said I shouldn't have my feet on the floor, but against the bench's support instead (that bench has a weird metal plate to alocate your feet and you basically end up in this position: http://www.sparkpeople.com/assets/exercises/Bench-Press-with-Barbell.gif). Right there I was already completely tilted and couldn't even focus on my workout anymore, so I said "thanks, but I feel much more stable with my current form", then just proceeded to ignore her and kept doing it my way til she walked away.

 

Thing is, I wasn't even exaggerating on the arch, but last year I suffered a serious shoulder injury while benching, so right now my primary focus is to "isolate" the chest and take shoulders out of the movement as much as possible. Following her abismal form advice would certainly have put my shoulders at risk.

 

This isn't the first time she approaches me with ridiculous bullshit. Last time I was deadlifting, she said I should never let the bar touch the ground between reps, but instead resume lifting up halfway through the negative...

 

But anyways guys, I'm really sorry for the rant, but It just pisses me off how I need to take this kind of shit while 50% of the guys on that gym have no idea wtf they're doing, they just randomly move weights around with zero muscle awareness, garbage form, cheating reps, half/quarter reps and no trainer ever says a damn thing.

William_Steinset
William_Steinset p William Steinset
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1K Post(s) Gender: Male Goal: Bodybuilding Date Joined: December 12, 1969
Posted
Posted By: Desvain

Hey guys.

 

Today something happened that completely tilted me out my workout, so much that I really have to share it with someone to see if I'm alone or not.

So, I was at the bench and after my first set, the gym owner (she's a post-graduated trainer) approached me saying that my form was going to destroy my back (I was using a slight arch). I explained myself and she responded that she had never even heard of this technique before and it had no "scientific background" as one's back should always remain flat on the bench for the entire movement.

 

When this kind of thing happens, I usually go like "yeah, ok, thanks", and wait for them leave, in order to avoid unecessary drama, but this time she just kept overwatching me, and wouldn't leave until I "corrected" my form. After my second set, she even said I shouldn't have my feet on the floor, but against the bench's support instead (that bench has a weird metal plate to alocate your feet and you basically end up in this position: http://www.sparkpeople.com/assets/exercises/Bench-Press-with-Barbell.gif). Right there I was already completely tilted and couldn't even focus on my workout anymore, so I said "thanks, but I feel much more stable with my current form", then just proceeded to ignore her and kept doing it my way til she walked away.

 

Thing is, I wasn't even exaggerating on the arch, but last year I suffered a serious shoulder injury while benching, so right now my primary focus is to "isolate" the chest and take shoulders out of the movement as much as possible. Following her abismal form advice would certainly have put my shoulders at risk.

 

This isn't the first time she approaches me with ridiculous bullshit. Last time I was deadlifting, she said I should never let the bar touch the ground between reps, but instead resume lifting up halfway through the negative...

 

But anyways guys, I'm really sorry for the rant, but It just pisses me off how I need to take this kind of shit while 50% of the guys on that gym have no idea wtf they're doing, they just randomly move weights around with zero muscle awareness, garbage form, cheating reps, half/quarter reps and no trainer ever says a damn thing.

Sounds like this trainer has no idea what she is talking about. The arch in the back is debated but I am sure it can not lead to an injury as long as you are not using to much of an arch and you are pressing with the right muscle. As for the feet, having them anywhere else than on the floor is just stupid. The feet is meant to support you during the lift, to give you balance and to make the lift safer. Because of course if you lose balance you might just fall of the bench with the weight landing on you. This trainer needs some help, you are definitely in the right here.

Personally I do not have this problem, if anyone approaches me it is usually because they want my help. And honestly if she keeps going I would just have to say it to her: "Back off, its none of your business"

MS Athelete / Super Hermanite / SHF
jcgadfly
jcgadfly g Jeff Craft
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192 Post(s) Gender: Male Goal: Gain Muscle Date Joined: May 5, 2015
Posted

It's kind of hard to use leg drive (yes, you do use leg drive on the bench press) if your feet aren't on the damned floor.

 

The arch is a good thing as long as you're not bridging.

 

Never apologize for venting if you need to vent. It keeps you from slapping people

It's kind of hard to use leg drive (yes, you do use leg drive on the bench press) if your legs aren't on the damned floor.

 

The arch is a good thing as long as you're not bridging.

 

Not touching the ground at the end of of a deadlift? In other words, she wants you to do RDLs.

 

Never apologize for venting if you need to vent. It keeps you from slapping people.

Old enough to know better, young enough not to care. I'm an eternal rookie - As soon as I stop learning I start dying.
Adawg38
Adawg38 g Aaron Henry
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563 Post(s) Gender: Male Goal: Gain Muscle Date Joined: December 12, 2013
Posted
Posted By: Desvain

Hey guys.

 

Today something happened that completely tilted me out my workout, so much that I really have to share it with someone to see if I'm alone or not.

So, I was at the bench and after my first set, the gym owner (she's a post-graduated trainer) approached me saying that my form was going to destroy my back (I was using a slight arch). I explained myself and she responded that she had never even heard of this technique before and it had no "scientific background" as one's back should always remain flat on the bench for the entire movement.

 

When this kind of thing happens, I usually go like "yeah, ok, thanks", and wait for them leave, in order to avoid unecessary drama, but this time she just kept overwatching me, and wouldn't leave until I "corrected" my form. After my second set, she even said I shouldn't have my feet on the floor, but against the bench's support instead (that bench has a weird metal plate to alocate your feet and you basically end up in this position: http://www.sparkpeople.com/assets/exercises/Bench-Press-with-Barbell.gif). Right there I was already completely tilted and couldn't even focus on my workout anymore, so I said "thanks, but I feel much more stable with my current form", then just proceeded to ignore her and kept doing it my way til she walked away.

 

Thing is, I wasn't even exaggerating on the arch, but last year I suffered a serious shoulder injury while benching, so right now my primary focus is to "isolate" the chest and take shoulders out of the movement as much as possible. Following her abismal form advice would certainly have put my shoulders at risk.

 

This isn't the first time she approaches me with ridiculous bullshit. Last time I was deadlifting, she said I should never let the bar touch the ground between reps, but instead resume lifting up halfway through the negative...

 

But anyways guys, I'm really sorry for the rant, but It just pisses me off how I need to take this kind of shit while 50% of the guys on that gym have no idea wtf they're doing, they just randomly move weights around with zero muscle awareness, garbage form, cheating reps, half/quarter reps and no trainer ever says a damn thing.

No matter who you are advice is usually only appreciated if asked for or you quite possible way out of control on your lift but even then sometimes people do not like it. As for trainers advice is a little more respected but unless I've used your services in the past I don't want to hear it. Her whole bench form is ludicris and goes against 90% of bench form info out there. Just got to let her know nicely that you appreciate the advice but are pretty confident in your form. Unless your not but in that case I am sure you'd appreciate her advice more. Slight arch in the lower back but keep your but on the bench, feet shoulder width apart with knees bent at 90 degrees right? cool

I have been training coming up on 6 years and have made some great gainz. I've done a lot of trial and error on myself as well as learned from others and through research online. I've come along way in strength and size since I've started. I will continue to learn and make myself better each day. MS Athlete/Super Hermanite BEING CHALLENGED IN LIFE IS INEVITABLE, BEING DEFEATED IS OPTIONAL.
ohawkey
ohawkey g Robert Fong
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445 Post(s) Gender: Male Goal: Gain Muscle Date Joined: October 10, 2013
Posted

Just say "thanks for the tip but I'm fine on my own. If I need your help I'll hire you."

jmboiardi
jmboiardi p John M Boiardi
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Posted
Posted By: Desvain

Hey guys.

 

Today something happened that completely tilted me out my workout, so much that I really have to share it with someone to see if I'm alone or not.

So, I was at the bench and after my first set, the gym owner (she's a post-graduated trainer) approached me saying that my form was going to destroy my back (I was using a slight arch). I explained myself and she responded that she had never even heard of this technique before and it had no "scientific background" as one's back should always remain flat on the bench for the entire movement.

 

When this kind of thing happens, I usually go like "yeah, ok, thanks", and wait for them leave, in order to avoid unecessary drama, but this time she just kept overwatching me, and wouldn't leave until I "corrected" my form. After my second set, she even said I shouldn't have my feet on the floor, but against the bench's support instead (that bench has a weird metal plate to alocate your feet and you basically end up in this position: http://www.sparkpeople.com/assets/exercises/Bench-Press-with-Barbell.gif). Right there I was already completely tilted and couldn't even focus on my workout anymore, so I said "thanks, but I feel much more stable with my current form", then just proceeded to ignore her and kept doing it my way til she walked away.

 

Thing is, I wasn't even exaggerating on the arch, but last year I suffered a serious shoulder injury while benching, so right now my primary focus is to "isolate" the chest and take shoulders out of the movement as much as possible. Following her abismal form advice would certainly have put my shoulders at risk.

 

This isn't the first time she approaches me with ridiculous bullshit. Last time I was deadlifting, she said I should never let the bar touch the ground between reps, but instead resume lifting up halfway through the negative...

 

But anyways guys, I'm really sorry for the rant, but It just pisses me off how I need to take this kind of shit while 50% of the guys on that gym have no idea wtf they're doing, they just randomly move weights around with zero muscle awareness, garbage form, cheating reps, half/quarter reps and no trainer ever says a damn thing.

I would have said "Thanks for the advice but I am training the way I prefer to train. I signed an insurance waiver form when I joined here so any concerns you have with my form or potential for injury are unfounded. If I want anything from you in this regard, I will hire you."

 

John

34 years of lifting and nutritional experience and resident "old man" :-) MS Athlete and past Super Hermanite since 2013.
crood
crood a Chris P.
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No good advice was ever given, without analysing a particular person and their petrsonal body setup and possible injuries first.
Even if you see someone totall bending over and rounding in a deadlift think 100 times before actually trying to approach them.

If someone wants to learn they mostly will approach you by themselves or hire a trainer...

 

We are only responsible as humans when we migth see someone really endanger themselves.

And as a gym assistant... i don't know.. most of them are not even qualified to do any form checks.

I would understand if they see something really dangerous, but to give just general tips you should as gym owner or assisten always ask if that person would like to hear a little tip of you. Then at least they have a choice to say no, or yes.

...

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