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Scott_Herman
Scott_Herman a Scott Herman
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What's up Nation!

 

I wanted to discuss a highly debated topic. When training is it benificial to not perform FULL RANGE OF MOTION with your reps or does this create weakness in the body?

 

I personally believe that whenever you don't train a specific area of your body, you are actually going to be more prone to weakness in that area in the future. For example, if you stop at 90 degrees with your elbows during a bench press or a shoulder press, that area you don't train in will be a key spot for an injury in the future.

 

I also believe that for most people, that injury would be more than likely to happen outside of the gym in an uncontrolled environment. For example, maybe you are helping a friend move into their new house and you have to move fast to catch a cabinet or some other piece of funiture and you happen to catch it in a position where you have to apply an exteme amount of force starting from that "lower" range of motion you have never train in with heavy weight. This could result in a strained neck / shoulder injury or something worse.

 

I also believe that when it comes to squats, if you stop halfway (90 degress) you are actually letting the force of the weight of the bar "start" and "stop" directly in the knees where as if you went ASS TO GRASS, you would be relying on mainly all core, glutes, and quads for the movement.

 

What is YOUR opinion Hermanites?

 

Do you think that stopping halfway keeps more tension in the muscles or do you think a short ROM creates weakness?

 

Let's discuss!

 

 

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M_Levesque
M_Levesque g Michelle Levesque
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I always learned that your muscles remember whatever range of motion you use and if you don't go full range you can shorten the muscle. Not sure if this is true but take pull ups for example. By not going all the way down you are training your arms to only go a certain distance. This could lead into an under developed muscle. I always perform full range of motion AND go light when I start to lose form so I dont lose that range.

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Adawg38
Adawg38 g Aaron Henry
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I believe in full ROM but again you see so many people have a different opinion on ROM. Example is Dips I come down and make my arms parallel but I don't go below that because I feel like it puts too much stress on the shoulders as some others do. Squats, some people love ASS TO THE GRASS, the farther you go down the better but I feel the farther down past parallel puts more stress on your hams and it just doesn't feel right to me but that's all my opinion, I don't want to rely so much on my hams with all that weight when I get down that far since your quads are suppose to be the main muscle in that movement. I like to do what I feel works best for me but with that being said I like to listen to the experts and if 9 out of 10 people say this is it than that's what I try to mold myself to. Important thing is whatever ROM if you only do half that I agree you are not getting the best benefit from the exercise and it will leave you weak in certain areas.

I have been training coming up on 6 years and have made some great gainz. I've done a lot of trial and error on myself as well as learned from others and through research online. I've come along way in strength and size since I've started. I will continue to learn and make myself better each day. MS Athlete/Super Hermanite BEING CHALLENGED IN LIFE IS INEVITABLE, BEING DEFEATED IS OPTIONAL.
ABrowning
ABrowning g Allen Browning
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Always FULL ROM! I try to stress this on my buddies who've only been working half ass especially with squats.

Kick ass!!!
jmboiardi
jmboiardi p John M Boiardi
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Posted By: Scott_Herman

What's up Nation!

 

I wanted to discuss a highly debated topic. When training is it benificial to not perform FULL RANGE OF MOTION with your reps or does this create weakness in the body?

 

I personally believe that whenever you don't train a specific area of your body, you are actually going to be more prone to weakness in that area in the future. For example, if you stop at 90 degrees with your elbows during a bench press or a shoulder press, that area you don't train in will be a key spot for an injury in the future.

 

I also believe that for most people, that injury would be more than likely to happen outside of the gym in an uncontrolled environment. For example, maybe you are helping a friend move into their new house and you have to move fast to catch a cabinet or some other piece of funiture and you happen to catch it in a position where you have to apply an exteme amount of force starting from that "lower" range of motion you have never train in with heavy weight. This could result in a strained neck / shoulder injury or something worse.

 

I also believe that when it comes to squats, if you stop halfway (90 degress) you are actually letting the force of the weight of the bar "start" and "stop" directly in the knees where as if you went ASS TO GRASS, you would be relying on mainly all core, glutes, and quads for the movement.

 

What is YOUR opinion Hermanites?

 

Do you think that stopping halfway keeps more tension in the muscles or do you think a short ROM creates weakness?

 

Let's discuss!

 

 

Scott is spot on here....

 

Your muscle development and strength curve is 100% dependent on how many muscle fibers are recruited. The supportive tissue (tendons and ligaments) adapt based on how much they are stretched with movement. If you train a muscle with 50% range of motion, you will recruit only 50% of the muscle fibers and stretch the tendons and ligaments only 50%. The result, limited growth, strength, and flexibility. The body was pre-designed with full range of motion. It should be trained accordingly. If you don't, you limit your development and open yourself up to injuries.

 

It is like having a Ferrari and only driving it up to 60 Mph and never using gears 4 thru 6. If you talk to any mechanic, they will tell you this will kill the engine and reduce the life span of the car. It needs to be opened up and allowed to "breathe" full throttle thru all gears to stay happy and healthy. :-)

 

John

34 years of lifting and nutritional experience and resident "old man" :-) MS Athlete and past Super Hermanite since 2013.
robbytaggart
robbytaggart g robby taggart
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full range here my squats could be deeper but im working on it ass to grass seems like a strech i even thaught yoga may be a bit weird but if it gets me to loosing up i only benifit

Daniel_Meyer
Daniel_Meyer g Daniel Meyer
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Posted By: Scott_Herman

What's up Nation!

 

I wanted to discuss a highly debated topic. When training is it benificial to not perform FULL RANGE OF MOTION with your reps or does this create weakness in the body?

 

I personally believe that whenever you don't train a specific area of your body, you are actually going to be more prone to weakness in that area in the future. For example, if you stop at 90 degrees with your elbows during a bench press or a shoulder press, that area you don't train in will be a key spot for an injury in the future.

 

I also believe that for most people, that injury would be more than likely to happen outside of the gym in an uncontrolled environment. For example, maybe you are helping a friend move into their new house and you have to move fast to catch a cabinet or some other piece of funiture and you happen to catch it in a position where you have to apply an exteme amount of force starting from that "lower" range of motion you have never train in with heavy weight. This could result in a strained neck / shoulder injury or something worse.

 

I also believe that when it comes to squats, if you stop halfway (90 degress) you are actually letting the force of the weight of the bar "start" and "stop" directly in the knees where as if you went ASS TO GRASS, you would be relying on mainly all core, glutes, and quads for the movement.

 

What is YOUR opinion Hermanites?

 

Do you think that stopping halfway keeps more tension in the muscles or do you think a short ROM creates weakness?

 

Let's discuss!

 

 

Good point Scott. I will generally train through what I class as a stimulation full ROM. By this I mean it is the the greatest ROM at a joint whereby I can maintain tension on a muscle. If we are speaking biomechanically, then no, I don't train full ROM but I would deem this to hinder my progress if I did so.

 

Scott is also bang on with the correlation to injury. A lot of muscular injuries occur when the muscle is in its end range (fully lengthened) therefore it is imperative that we train though this lengthened state.

Sport Rehabilitation BSc GSR Sport Rehabilitator and S&C coach at Boston United FC Super Hermanite Twitter: Daniel_Meyer99
Mcmike
Mcmike g Michael Benedict Ramos
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Posted By: Scott_Herman

What's up Nation!

 

I wanted to discuss a highly debated topic. When training is it benificial to not perform FULL RANGE OF MOTION with your reps or does this create weakness in the body?

 

I personally believe that whenever you don't train a specific area of your body, you are actually going to be more prone to weakness in that area in the future. For example, if you stop at 90 degrees with your elbows during a bench press or a shoulder press, that area you don't train in will be a key spot for an injury in the future.

 

I also believe that for most people, that injury would be more than likely to happen outside of the gym in an uncontrolled environment. For example, maybe you are helping a friend move into their new house and you have to move fast to catch a cabinet or some other piece of funiture and you happen to catch it in a position where you have to apply an exteme amount of force starting from that "lower" range of motion you have never train in with heavy weight. This could result in a strained neck / shoulder injury or something worse.

 

I also believe that when it comes to squats, if you stop halfway (90 degress) you are actually letting the force of the weight of the bar "start" and "stop" directly in the knees where as if you went ASS TO GRASS, you would be relying on mainly all core, glutes, and quads for the movement.

 

What is YOUR opinion Hermanites?

 

Do you think that stopping halfway keeps more tension in the muscles or do you think a short ROM creates weakness?

 

Let's discuss!

 

 

Other say " when it comes to squats, if you only do half range of motion, you'll get a half result ". Before I only do half range motion on squats and I can do more reps. Last sunday, I just hit leg trainings with Mervin. He clearly explain and show me the amazing result of doing the FULL range of motion in squats. Yes, It gave me an amazing result in my quads, I feel it myself. But when doing the FULL range, I can only do a fewer reps and it really hurts my quads.

 

I don't know if FULL ROM or HALF ROM is much closer to any injuries. But base on my experience the HALF ROM create much tension to my knees.

 

( Beginner ) 1 Year Lifting Experience Bachelor of Science in Marketing Management Don't be afraid to make mistakes, face failure and fall, because most of the time, the greatest rewards come from doing the things that scare you the most. You'll get everything you wish for... just focus and work on it. And you'll get more than you could ever have imagined. Who knows where life will take you. The road is long, and in the end - - the journey is the destination.
M_Levesque
M_Levesque g Michelle Levesque
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Posted By: Mcmike

Other say " when it comes to squats, if you only do half range of motion, you'll get a half result ". Before I only do half range motion on squats and I can do more reps. Last sunday, I just hit leg trainings with Mervin. He clearly explain and show me the amazing result of doing the FULL range of motion in squats. Yes, It gave me an amazing result in my quads, I feel it myself. But when doing the FULL range, I can only do a fewer reps and it really hurts my quads.

 

I don't know if FULL ROM or HALF ROM is much closer to any injuries. But base on my experience the HALF ROM create much tension to my knees.

 

Of course doing full ROM will give you fewer reps. Its like the guys I see who don't go down all the way on chin ups. if they slowed down and went down all the way they will do far less reps. Most people try to show off how many times they lift the weight. I go slow tempo (negatives) all the time and full ROM. its lighter weight and less reps but I'm still destroyed at the end of the workout.

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Mcmike
Mcmike g Michael Benedict Ramos
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Posted By: M_Levesque

Of course doing full ROM will give you fewer reps. Its like the guys I see who don't go down all the way on chin ups. if they slowed down and went down all the way they will do far less reps. Most people try to show off how many times they lift the weight. I go slow tempo (negatives) all the time and full ROM. its lighter weight and less reps but I'm still destroyed at the end of the workout.

Well said Michelle!! with slow tempo and enough weights you can feel the burn on it. FULL ROM = FULL satisfaction result!!

( Beginner ) 1 Year Lifting Experience Bachelor of Science in Marketing Management Don't be afraid to make mistakes, face failure and fall, because most of the time, the greatest rewards come from doing the things that scare you the most. You'll get everything you wish for... just focus and work on it. And you'll get more than you could ever have imagined. Who knows where life will take you. The road is long, and in the end - - the journey is the destination.
M_Levesque
M_Levesque g Michelle Levesque
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Posted By: Mcmike

Well said Michelle!! with slow tempo and enough weights you can feel the burn on it. FULL ROM = FULL satisfaction result!!

Thanks Mike! I'm not a flexible person by nature so I make sure to utilize full ROM to reduce shortening of any muscles!

 

 

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Scott_Herman
Scott_Herman a Scott Herman
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Posted By: M_Levesque

I always learned that your muscles remember whatever range of motion you use and if you don't go full range you can shorten the muscle. Not sure if this is true but take pull ups for example. By not going all the way down you are training your arms to only go a certain distance. This could lead into an under developed muscle. I always perform full range of motion AND go light when I start to lose form so I dont lose that range.

Well... I am not sure if "shortened" is the best term... but you will defintiely lose flexibility! Spot on Michelle!

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Scott_Herman
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Posted By: Adawg38

I believe in full ROM but again you see so many people have a different opinion on ROM. Example is Dips I come down and make my arms parallel but I don't go below that because I feel like it puts too much stress on the shoulders as some others do. Squats, some people love ASS TO THE GRASS, the farther you go down the better but I feel the farther down past parallel puts more stress on your hams and it just doesn't feel right to me but that's all my opinion, I don't want to rely so much on my hams with all that weight when I get down that far since your quads are suppose to be the main muscle in that movement. I like to do what I feel works best for me but with that being said I like to listen to the experts and if 9 out of 10 people say this is it than that's what I try to mold myself to. Important thing is whatever ROM if you only do half that I agree you are not getting the best benefit from the exercise and it will leave you weak in certain areas.

I hear what you are saying.. but think about this.

You feel the stress on your shoulders going low on dips because that area of your body is weak from never going that low. It feels ok at the top of the movement because you always train in that part of the movement. Think about how much stronger you would be if you did full ROM :)

For squats.. they are not a "quad" exercise. They are a compound movement targeting MANY muscles. Core, quads, glutes, hamstrings, spine errectors, calves abductors, adductors, etc. Some of these muscles are acting as stabilizers.. but they are still activated.

Maybe you are not flexing yoru glutes and pushing your knees out when you squat from the bottom up? Could be a few things going on. Either way, I respect your opinion but will always do my best to offer some advice! #HTH brotha!

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Scott_Herman
Scott_Herman a Scott Herman
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Posted By: ABrowning

Always FULL ROM! I try to stress this on my buddies who've only been working half ass especially with squats.

I like that!!! #HTH

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Scott_Herman
Scott_Herman a Scott Herman
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Posted By: jmboiardi

Scott is spot on here....

 

Your muscle development and strength curve is 100% dependent on how many muscle fibers are recruited. The supportive tissue (tendons and ligaments) adapt based on how much they are stretched with movement. If you train a muscle with 50% range of motion, you will recruit only 50% of the muscle fibers and stretch the tendons and ligaments only 50%. The result, limited growth, strength, and flexibility. The body was pre-designed with full range of motion. It should be trained accordingly. If you don't, you limit your development and open yourself up to injuries.

 

It is like having a Ferrari and only driving it up to 60 Mph and never using gears 4 thru 6. If you talk to any mechanic, they will tell you this will kill the engine and reduce the life span of the car. It needs to be opened up and allowed to "breathe" full throttle thru all gears to stay happy and healthy. :-)

 

John

Your post reminds me of this... wish I started squatting a bit younger.. haha I would have perfect form!

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Scott_Herman
Scott_Herman a Scott Herman
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Posted By: robbytaggart

full range here my squats could be deeper but im working on it ass to grass seems like a strech i even thaught yoga may be a bit weird but if it gets me to loosing up i only benifit

Have you seen this video Robby? It can help you with ASS-TO-GRASS

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